View Profile View Forum Posts Registered User Join Date Nov 2004 Location Calgary, Alberta My Ride 14frs,06Tacoma,69Olds Vista Cruiser, 73VWwestfalia More space for insulation, R-21 vs. R-13, means less heat loss and smaller cooling and heating costs. That means that for a 2,400-square-foot house, the interior of a 2x6-built house will be about 33.5 square feet smaller overall than that of a 2x4-built house. *Only problem is, I GUARANTEE people would just start arguing there! I suppose that would leave many with a feeling of "That's not exactly what I want to ask" but might still be helpful. We will have to see if Y2K remedies that situation. I'm not a framer nor was I aware of a dew point but am still interested in this topic. He stated that 22 years was the pay-back period. All those houses I built that way must be falling down. *A friend and I have been having an on-going discussion (argument) about the pros and cons of 2x6 vs. 2x4 exterior stud walls. Carpentry, Cabinetry and Interior Woodworking - Exterior door with 2x4 jamb in 2x6 wall - So I bought doors for 2x4 walls but my builder did 2x6 walls. Perfect case scenario. Elements Design Build L.L.C. there was an inner and outer stud wall component to the exterior walls. He says that a "properly" framed home with 2x4 studs will be just as strong and the pay back in energy savings is too long to worry about. First, if one uses 2x6s one not only increases the cost to insulate, one also increases the cost in windows and doors sicne jambs must be ordered or constructed to fit a 2x6 rather than a 2x4 wall. ?near the stream,aj. Structural sheathing provides lateral support to the 1 1/2-inch dimension of either 2x4s or 2x6s, but the greater width of the 2x6 makes it stiffer in that direction. This would only require Taunton to provide the structure within their site to allow this to function.One problem is how the new user is made aware of these features. A friend and I have been having an on-going discussion (argument) about the pros and cons of 2x6 vs. 2x4 exterior stud walls. I started including it because I could save time and energy instead of arguing with Building Inspectors, I would agree with YOU, that the let-in is superfluous, but I can't put a stamp on my prints. On one hand, you wouldn't want to include the "lunatic fringe" (should any appear on our beloved Breaktime) but at the same time you wouldn't want to alienate people by leaving them out if you included everything else. *John Doe. If you have a 3" waste line, 3.5" OD and larger than that for the hub of the fitting, then it's nice to place that in a 2x6 wall. If you’re building an addition on your home, a wall insulation project is simple enough to do yourself. Walls will be less drafty improving the overall comfort level of the living space. Until your buildier can quote a price on 2x4 vs 2x6 (with all the additional expenses included), and then you compare that cost to estimated savings on your energy bill, it's all guesswork. In 1984 Peter Lund said, "Watch the wood content of your walls.Cut back on it whenever possible, and instead use foam[rigid foam board insulation]insulation to build to the desired depth. . I believe that DXF is a common Autocad format. When building your dream house, there are various opinions on 2x6 … Could you put it on a basement foundation? At one point, I was all excited about building a Bonfig wall because with my 25% framing factor (lots of corners and headers), it gave an R5 boost to overall wall performance using 2x4 construction + Bonfig vs 2x6 construction (using R23 Rockwool cavity fill in each). Save the owls! High-R Wall-02: 2x6 Advanced Frame Wall Construction Building Science Corporation https://www.buildingscience.com/documents/enclosures-that-work/high-r-value-wall-assemblies/copy_of_advanced-frame-wall-construction, https://www.homeinnovation.com/~/media/Files/Reports/Construction-Guide-to-Next-Generation-High-Performance-Walls-in-Climate-Zones-3-5-Part-1-2x6-Walls.pdf, The Diminishing Returns of Adding More Insulation, https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/76941/The-Diminishing-Returns-of-Adding-More-Insulation, https://www.reddit.com/r/OffGridCabins/comments/hktgzz/extreme_weather_cabins/. You can buy pre-hung doors for 2x6 studding. But I didn't know I could space them wider so I used 16" spacing. If your walls are tall (11' or taller), you NEED 2x6's. *Absolutely, Marvin is great for job security, you get to come back and replace the different components every couple years, just as soon as the warranty lapses.Now, Andersen, on the other hand..........So, John, anyways, EVERYONE knows that the best wall for 6000 degree-day areas is a 2x4 @16" oc, with 1" foam EXTERIOR, let-in metal corner brace, 1/2" CDX ply sheathing/ nailbase, Fiber -cement clapboards, GP PrimeTrim trim, backprime everything, and either highdensity glass batts with seperate poly vapor barrier interior or blow cellulose thru the blueboard before skim-coat. In the meantime, Im starting to plan out the materials for the walls fo the observatory. These are subject to axial compression loads in addition to their own weight and, where there is eccentricity of load or lateral loads, to flexure. Forgive me if your links dive into steel studs but do you know how much less heat is bridged through a 6-in steel stud than a 6-in wood stud? This type of construction has two main types: 2x4 and 2x6. If necessary I also have the electrician, sheetrockers and plumbers to dinner. The extra insulation is what I wanted. Real names or at least clever monikers are encouraged here. I was having this conversation today with our project manager. Structural sheathing provides lateral support to the 1 1/2-inch dimension of either 2x4s or 2x6s, but the greater width of the 2x6 makes it stiffer in that direction. be_a_lert. In most wall applications, you will use R-13 or R-15 kraft-faced fiberglass insulation rolls for these two-by-four stud walls. Publisher Name. 2x6 studs out of DF #2 and better will bow and twist to give you nightmares in straightening the walls before drywall. Note: You will also notice the corner framing in the 2x6 uses a California or L corner which allows insulation to be placed all the way in to the corner and creates a lip for attaching interior wall coverings which reduces cold corners from bridging and makes attaching dry wall much easier. Don't wast the money or the wood. (Especially single story or non-load bearing.) We require R20 in walls in this area. The Blower Door: Why Isn't It Called the Sucker Door? This is the best video I could find when editing this column. Some search engine sites utilize either paid or volunteer "experts" to organize information into "guides" that can be quite useful- sometimes with summaries and others with only a listing of applicable URLs. Dane Lytle. 2x8 walls will be stronger still. I'd rip it rather than overbuilding the entire garage to fit the sole plate. A poster told me that on a 2000 sq. Content can be pictures of cabins, topics on how to build or maintain one, lake houses, mountain cabins, or any home that incorporates green technology while focusing on size and efficiency. 2x4 vs 2x6 Framing Video. Of course, the bigger the house, the more wall studs you need, so it will cost more to frame a bigger house with 2x6 walls than a smaller one. In the meantime, Im starting to plan out the materials for the walls fo the observatory. Exterior walls are built as designed. "I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. GeneL. Press J to jump to the feed. In other words, a quick index of what a good search of the archives on the topic would turn up, kind of like retrospective magazine indexes. Anyone else? Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features. *Matt G. Tim Carter's article is goood, but it is not current. Have you ever seen the racking strength calculation for 1/2" CDX nailed 1" away with solid blocking on the corners ?I'd be curious to know.OK,Gene: can I get your book from the web ? Joe H. *Dont start this tastes great less filling argument up again. At one point, I was all excited about building a Bonfig wall because with my 25% framing factor (lots of corners and headers), it gave an R5 boost to overall wall performance using 2x4 construction + Bonfig vs 2x6 construction (using R23 Rockwool cavity fill in each). © 2020 The Taunton Press, Inc. All rights reserved. Probably most of the regulars or folks who consider themselves a topic expert would add a FAQ thread to their "new messages", so new, related questions would get timely responses.Only pitfall I can see is people's reluctance to using subfolders - which I can only think comes from people's fear that subfolders are not read - when in fact I am guessing that subfolders are where the regulars and topic experts hang out. It doesn't bend the drywall to fit around the fittings. It is the 2x6 stud, usually 8ft long, which are used for framing the exterior walls around the whole house. That equates to $.98 per sq/ft of living space. *I think the FAQ idea is a good one. Although it is more expensive than 2-by-4-inch framing, 2-by-6-inch framing is used for a number of reasons. In that case, there's not much, if any, additional cost for 2x6. Havn't used these corners since.Below is a link to a drawing of the corner I used. less wood to chop as I get older. Builder never said why only 2x6 exterior downstairs. Load-bearing walls may be designed in a manner similar to that for columns but including the design requirements for non-load-bearing walls. By using 2x4 lumber, the insulation space and load-bearing are limited to the properties of that dimension. and/or 5/8" drywall instead of 1/2" or a double layer of 1/2". I would like some opinions and hard facts to support either case. Insulation is rated in two ways, R-value and U-value. The second pic is an 8x16 wall with 2x6 wall framing on 2' centers. But if we look at the percent reduction in heat transfer through the walls, it's significant. I loan a video of some of my framing techniques to the lead framer.I like the idea of a FAQ if done properly and updated as needed. Or perhaps under "Export". It is estimated that with the extra cost for lumber, the extension jambs for the windows we might be pushing between $8000-$10000 more for the 2x6's. There is a big difference in compressive strength, resistance to buckling, and lateral deflection between a 9' 2x4 wall and a 9' 2x6 wall. By using 2x4 lumber, the insulation space and load-bearing are limited to the properties of that dimension. on page 22, of the Nov/Dec, 1999 issue of _Home_Energy_ Magazine. Good luckKen th. Your hinge knuckles need to pass the interior wall for the door to open correctly, so your extensions need to go on the outside. We're at the trim stage and the deep window sills are very nice! Seems like this would more than likely target threads like "Blue's virtual get together" and the dreaded "Mr. Smith Incident". I'd be interested in other comments. Interior walls are virtually always 2x4 unless there's a structural reason to go larger. 2x4 studs are used for interior walls. Our architect planned for a 2x6 for the exterior framing. 2x6 vs 2x4 exterior walls Anyone know what year 2x6 ext walls became standard in Alberta? *Well, now I can't read your format. Because 2x6s are 2 inches deeper than 2x4s, a house built with 2x4 vs 2x6 walls will be a total of 4 inches wider and deeper inside than the same house built with 2x6s. "See the article, "Calculating The Whole Wall R-Values On the Net." (Local building regulations is to be able to withstand snow load of 650Kg/m2). * A friend and I have been having an on-going discussion (argument) about the pros and cons of 2×6 vs. 2×4 exterior stud walls. I recommend 2x6 exterior walls in most climates, including yours, but only if spaced at 24 inches on-center. Briefly ORNL researchers foud that the difference in R-values between the 2x6 R-19 wall and the 2x4 R-11 wall is 3.8. I am now finishing a complete rebuild to my own house, 2000 sq ft enlarged to 6800 sq ft. A framer's holiday? He stated that 22 years was the pay-back period. I don't see why you would need a wider plate either. And it gives extra room in the walls for insulation, plumbing pipes and electrical fixtures. NOTE: We both frame our houses using 7/16″ exterior wall sheathing and house wrap. I'm not comfortable with siding that is just nailed to the sheathing. I handle it by taking the lead framer to dinner and away from telephones. I used 2x6 studs in my walls. If it would be easier than searching the archives Id be all for it. There is a big difference in compressive strength, resistance to buckling, and lateral deflection between a 9' 2x4 wall and a 9' 2x6 wall. 05-07-2017, 10:01 PM #2. big A. Avoid this by constructing walls with a thermal break or gap. Exterior first floor are all 2x6; some interior walls with plumbing are 2x6. Walls will be less drafty improving the overall comfort level of the living space. My approach is to show him or them what is in it for them. Some framers use two 2X4 stud walls with a little space between them instead of a single 2X6 wall to get the necessary wall depth. 2x8 walls will be stronger still. To hit R50 whole-wall (or even center-cavity) with 2x6 + exterior foam takes a LOT of foam- about 6", which is awkward to do for a wall (if still within reason on a roof.) A washer box fits in the 2x4 spacing. *Maybe FAQ folder with links to archives? Search the archives on this. Seems as if some of the old regulars who had a LOT to offer on some of these subjects found something better to occupy their time. GeneL. blue It's my understanding that they're also easier to transport to your site because they're much lighter than wood. If you already have one for 2x4 studding then it could be adapted, but it would be better to return it and get one designed for 2x6 studding. I think beyond a certain number of toilets installed in a house, a minimum of one 4" vent stack is needed and it won't fit in a 2X4 stud wall. ft. spec house in Wisconsin, by switching from 2x6s to the staggered 2x3 stud wall he saved $1200.00. They're harder to lift and the headers on exterior walls require more work. Unless you do, totsal wall performance mayufall far short of what you expected. Because 2x6s are 2 inches deeper than 2x4s, a house built with 2x4 vs 2x6 walls will be a total of 4 inches wider and deeper inside than the same house built with 2x6s. Relevance. 2x4 walls on 2' centers are common interior walls with sound barrier or no insulation. Exterior walls are built as designed. I also have 4 2x4 windows installed on the same 2x6 walls … I would like to take advantage of really low cost 2x4 windows and doors available to me. Summary: So you can see that using 2x6 framing provides superior strength, superior insulation value, is faster to build and cheaper than a traditional 2x4 wall and is recommended for all extreme climate construction. I say that the extra expense for 2x6 studs is justified because along with the additional insulation and energy savings, you also get a much stiffer house. It uses less framing but has superior strength and more space for insulation and higher R value. Thermal bridging is when cold penetrates through the framing and the more framing the more thermal bridging. If not, 2x4' will function quite nicely. Summary: So you can see that using 2x6 framing provides superior strength, superior insulation value, is faster to build and cheaper than a traditional 2x4 wall and is recommended for all extreme climate construction. Sikaflex? Lots of people ask how much it costs to build a house with 2x6 walls rather than 2x4. 3 layers of glass, alternatively 2 layers + metal will reduce your heat loss a lot. He said that whether you frame with wood or steel the wall should be 2x4 with extra insulation on the exterior because of the dew point. All on cc 24" (60cm really). Can I install a door designed for 2x4 walls in a 2x6 wall by changing the sill. Let's dive into the answers to both questions. Lumber quality (or lack of quality) available today is pitiful. The plug in is free share ware, but not sure where you get it. By the bye. I am doing repairs for my mother’s home which she built in 1987 and I can say unequivocally the 2*6 framing used for interior and exterior walls and on 16″ centers has been a godsend. Steel studs will increase heat penetration much more than wood studs. That was why I said "for some additional background info". Maybe just put threads with 100 or more posts in it, those were the odyssey threads. If you have a 3" waste line, 3.5" OD and larger than that for the hub of the fitting, then it's nice to place that in a 2x6 wall. Yes, a 2x4 is stroger than a 2x3 as is a 2x6 stronger than a 2x4, but using one over the other does not necessarily make the structure stronger, it just may be overkill. It can be used for R19 or R24 insulation and that wall will cost $193.85 with R19 insulation at Lowes USA. *Gene:Not meaning to be adversarial, but, I take anything I read with a grain of salt - especially on the internet. *Lucy ! Even now, I would guess that there are features on the home page that most of us have not checked out. I've challenged him on a number of topics. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.buildingscience.com/documents/enclosures-that-work/high-r-value-wall-assemblies/copy_of_advanced-frame-wall-construction, https://homeguides.sfgate.com/anchor-sill-plate-cinder-block-foundation-29451.html, https://www.homeenergy.org/show/article/id/249#:~:text=But%20it%20has%20one%20significant,insulation%20(see%20Table%201). NOTE: We both frame our houses using 7/16" exterior wall sheathing and house wrap. Don't forget your windows. And Other Tough Questions, Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20, Simple Way to Make Old Walls Straight and Plumb, Expert insights on techniques and principles. 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